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When: Wednesdays 12:30 -
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Archive of past shows
Show #31 April 16, 2014 nonduality.net/16april2014_ramaji.mp3
My guest is Ramaji. Ramaji’s main
mission is to spread practical non-dual teachings about the
Heart on the right, Amrita Nadi and Self-enquiry meditation in
the Advaita enlightenment tradition of Sri Ramana Maharshi.
Ramaji facilitates the non-dual spiritual awakening of the
casual seeker and serious student alike via delivery of the RASA
(Ramaji Advaita Shaktipat Attunement) non-dual transmission. He
delivers RASA in person and long distance to groups or one on
one over Skype. The RASA transmission takes only a few minutes,
yet its spiritual benefits can last a lifetime. Physical
distance makes no difference.
on his own experiences, Ramaji has clarified and streamlined
Self-enquiry for the West. Ramaji strongly encourages
meditators to arrive at the thought-free state. By dwelling in
and abiding as the thought-free state, the Self is realized. http://ramaji.org
– 7:21 Introduction to Ramaji. Ramaji talks about how his book
started and the nature of levels of consciousness. Compares
his work to that of David Hawkins. Some spiritual biography.
Function of empathy.
– 14:22 Some of the people rated and their scores. Value of
this work in getting a handle on assessing nonduality
teachers. David Hawkins’ ratings compared. Nature of Ramaji’s
evaluation process. Receptivity to “mental density” or “outer
protective layer,” or “mental armor.”
– 22:49 Ramaji gathering date on evaluations. Characteristics
and features of different ratings levels with associated
experiences described. Perfection of duality as it is at level
– 25:10 Nature of level 1000. “Everything is I.” Universal
I-consciousness. It is all myself.
– 28:54 Mission to get everyone to level 1000. Value of RASA
discussed. “I am kicking spiritual butt with this RASA thing.”
– 32:15 Value of the great desire for enlightenment. Be honest
with yourself. Enlightenment has to be your passion. Main
problem is indifference. Value of meditating a half hour a day
toward achieving world peace.
– 38:37 The world as thought, corporations and the military as
only thought based. All the masses have to do is start
meditating and that would de-couple them from deep
conditioning. Identification softens with meditation and space
opens in our thought patterns. However, the masses are in a
trance and kept in a trance by corporate advertising. “People
think the world is real … and then torture themselves with
it.” Being a human being: feel free, loving, peaceful.
– 45:27 More levels discussed. 500′s, nature of. Average
person is 210. Spirituality starts at 500. Serial killers are
below 100. Dictators are below 200. 300: Tanya Harding. 400s
are scientists, wealthy people. Bill Gates = 524. Oprah = 582.
Above 628 you’re living in non-doership, you can do whatever
arises which may appear to come from a low rating level.
– 48:10 Potential for abuse if someone pretends they’re
established in non-doership. Charles Manson mentioned. People
rated 1000 are impeccable regarding abusive behaviour.
– Jerry asks, “Ramaji, should people believe you?” A new level
of purification after enlightenment, which is a function of
Show #30 April 9, 2014 nonduality.net/9april2014_jayrossi.mp3
My guest is Jay Rossi,
with co-hosts James Traverse
and Mandee Labelle.
0:00 - 4:20 Introduction, casual chat, nature of spaciousness,
4:20 - 8:04 Jay Rossi introduced. Jay describes bringing
students into open awareness and the spacious feeling via
changing attention and the resultant release of tensions and
8:04 - 13:09 Jay and James talk about limitations of focusing
too much on core strength of the body. Importance of breathing.
Problem with over-intellectualizing physical exercise.
13:09 - 14:46 Significance of vibrational nature of the body and
14:46 - 18:20 Feelings and emotions addressed. The body held as
an idea. Looking at one's experience. The body as a mirage.
18:20 - 25:04 Jay discusses his background and studies and how
he got into yoga. James shares his journey and shows how their
path is parallel in many ways. Jean Klein and Douglas Harding
25:04 - 29:29 How their teaching of yoga has changed over the
years. Presence. Abiding in the open space as a way or teaching
that can affect the students even if they are not aware of it.
29:29 - 33:40 Jay leads the listener is an exercise of spacious
yoga. "Is it my hand or is the hand in my awareness?"
33:40 - 36:19 Power of Jay's exercise discussed. Understanding
and substance discussed.
36:19 - 40:16 Mandee joins us and she and Jay talk about
relationship with Francis Lucille and what they learned.
40:16 - 46:16 Jay talks about a relaxed, light, loose,
playful approach to yoga, and what bores him. Mandee and James
contribute. Jay tells a couple of stories comparing seriousness
46:16 - 51:00 Mandee, James, and Jay engage in some intimate
yoga shop talk, as they are all yoga teachers. Jay talks about
his new book.
Show #29 April 2, 2014 nonduality.net/2april2014.mp3.
My guest is Robert Rabbin.
off-the-cuff conversation covering several themes of authentic
Show #28 March 26, 2014 was a re-run
of show #27. Due to a severe snow storm I could not get to the
- Speaking “from” compared to speaking “about.”
- Public speaking as an act of self-revelation compared to an
act of providing information.
- Directing your speaking toward the effect you want to
achieve. How do you want your audience to think, feel, and
- As a speaker, are you aware of the effect you’re creating
and are you tracking it, making slight adjustments as you
proceed? Real-time awareness.
- Speaking truthfully, what it means. How does it compare to
- Connecting, creating, expressing, affecting, acting
- Pre-linguistic communication.
- The five principles of authentic living: Be present, pay
attention, listen deeply, speak truthfully, act creatively.
Robert’s website is robertrabbin.com
Show #27 March 19, 2014 nonduality.net/19march2014_lauraburke.mp3
My guest is Laura Caitlin Burke. Laura is a Mental Health
Peer Support Coordinator at Dalhousie University in Halifax,
Nova Scotia. She also works as Peer Support Facilitator, Program
Manager with the Schizophrenia Society of Nova Scotia. Laura
holds a Master of Arts in Drama Therapy from Concordia
University in Montreal. She's a writer, playwright, poet, actor,
performance artist, student of Shambhala Buddhism. We talk about
mental health from the nondual perspective. Laura's blog is at http://lcburke.wordpress.com/.
She is on Facebook
Here are the tracks:
0:00 - 5:47 Laura's role as an activist. What it means to
support others. Promoting new ideas, new ways of doing things.
Drama therapy. Perceived danger of creative arts therapy.
Choosing of one's own narrative and power of creative work.
5:47 - 11:07 Laura reads a poem inspired by intense
non-conceptual experience. Speaking to the longing to get closer
to the experience of nonduality rather than just pointing to it.
Some commentary and response follow.
11:07 - 15:50 Social activism. Discussion of a program on
creating an enlightened society featuring Sakyong Miphan
Rinpoche, Pema Chodron, and others. Going beyond dualistic
concepts and making an impact from the perspective of
interdependence and ever-changingness of all things. Limitations
of traditional activism and meaning of nondual activism.
15:50 - 17:29 Anti-stigma movement as limiting and dualistic. A
nondualistic acceptance rather than acceptance via being against
17:29 - 28:28 Experiences of psychosis. Shambhala Buddhism and
meditation. Meeting with Alan Sloan. Nature of egolessness in
psychosis. Fleet Maull mentioned. Perception that there's a
whole world beyond the world of concepts and a change in
relationship with psychosis. Ken Friedman's view that in
psychosis there is a hypersensitivity to the space beyond
concepts and it leads to a jump back to ego, self-centeredness,
and unusual behaviour. An inclination toward the nondual that
people diagnosed with mania and psychoses appear to have.
28:28 - 31:39 Maria MacKenzie-Cann, a psychiatric nurse and
shaman, as a mentor. Laura seeing that she was rejecting her
calling toward healing. Mindfulness work.
31:39 - 42:07 Laura talks about and reads, "I Am Not a
Superhero." (aka Superhero). Commentary follows. Laura talks
about the origin of the poem and its intent. Impermanence as a
theme. It is available here as a visual poem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23a18HKYLW4
. We reflect on the interview so far.
42:07 - Thomas Merton quote discussed. Its application to an
upcoming conference in Toronto Laura is attending and speaking
at: Ontario Shores Research Day - 2014. Laura's experiences with
conference audiences. Ardath Whynacht mentioned. Pushing
boundaries. David Whitehorn mentioned, author of Navigating
Mental Disorder and Recovery. Topics of Laura's speech at the
conference and its inclination toward the nondual. Power of
relationship and intimacy at the level of nondual experience.
Michel Foucault: Madness and Civilization. Conclusion.
Show #26 March 12, 2014 nonduality.net/12march2014.mp3
My guest is Cheryl Abram. The topic is right and wrong,
true and false. Cheryl's blog is at http://www.ypifany.blogspot.ca/
Show #25 March 5, 2014 nonduality.net/5march2014
Guests are James Traverse
and Maja Apolonia Rode.
What is meant by an independent nonduality meetup group?
What are some aspects of its nature? Only qualifications to
start a group is your passion and your interest in exploring
the true nature of being. Maja Apolonia Rodé contributes
the following to the discussion: "Everybody has the dharma
within them, not just the one at the front of the room." Some
principles are necessary for a successful group. Leadership is
based in asking good questions and coming from a place of not
knowing the answers. You have to have leadership that holds the
container without taking over the group. Can the love of the
teachings, the love of truth hold the container? How do you deal
with dominating personality or getting too much into concepts or
self-help? Addressing someone new to inquiry and defining the
function of moderating a group. Include tips and tricks that are
unobtrusive such as the talking stick.
A group at the beginning can be like learning to play a musical
instrument, it takes time to get smooth, practiced, and skilled.
Bringing together people along in their process.
Discussion on having a core group. Power of openly sharing. Do
you have any special way of leading new people into self-inquiry
and being comfortable within a group?
Engaging within a group is like going on a first date. The open,
live, vulnerable quality, and exploration. Importance of moments
of stillness and silence. Leadership re-addressed.
Show #24 February 26, 2014 nonduality.net/26february2014.mp3
Guests are Pete Sierra and Vimalasara Mason-John.
Pete can be found on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/pete.sierra.31?fref=ts.
Pete was interviewed in January 2013, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IITziq6jfY8
Vimalasara's Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/valeriemasonjohn?fref=ts.
Her most recent book is Eight
Step Recovery: Using the Buddha's Teachings to Overcome
Show #23 February 19, 2014 nonduality.net/19february2014.mp3
McCray and Charlie
Hayes are guests, topics are baseball, Scott Kiloby, car
racing, nondual awareness, and revelations of their lives.
Show #22 February 12, 2014 nonduality.net/12february2014.mp3
Hip Hop, Haircuts, and Mandee Moon are the guests and
Show #21 February 5, 2014 nonduality.net/5february2014.mp3
Guests are James Traverse,
Jen Peer Rich,
and Chadwick Johnson in
one of our most powerful shows yet. James talk about nonduality
and Yoga Nidra. Jen tells us about her life, beginning with
cancer as an infant. And Chad responds to Jen's story and
reveals his own experiential understanding of nonduality, and
lays some rhymes on us as well, as he is a hiphop artist.
Show #20 January 29, 2014 nonduality.net/29january2014.mp3
Guests are Cheryl
Abrams and Scott and Kim
MacInnis. The inquiry, "Does this change the present?" is
central to this show. Cheryl reads from her blog and we quote Galen Sharp to some extent.
Show #19 January 22, 2014 Due to a blizzard, we were
unable to get to the radio studio, so we played a re-run from December
4, 2013 nonduality.net/4december2013.mp3
Lynn Fraser was my guest. We talked about her
earliest experiences of non-separation in nature, which
stimulated an interest in spirituality. Lynn offered a great
definition of nonduality. Then we covered a few other
milestones in her life. Study within the Himalayan
Tradition, a physical attack upon her which forced her to
address PTSD. Her life has a meditation and Yoga teacher.
Lynn’s encounter with Scott Kiloby and becoming a
facilitator of Scott’s inquiries. During this conversation
Lynn leads the listener in a couple of exercises to
illustrate her teachings, including Scott’s work. The music
of Calum Graham is
featured and we play a funny and powerful clip of Adyashanti
speaking to our addiction to thoughts. Lynn’s website is nondualinquiry.com
Show #18 January 15, 2014 http://nonduality.net/15january2014.mp3
Chani is our guest and James Traverse is co-host. Lots of
talk about nonduality and we play clips from Bill East, Roger
Mahaffey, and Mool Mantar & First Slok of Japji Sahib.
Show #17 January 8, 2014 nonduality.net/8jan2014.mp3
Dustin LindenSmith joins me in the studio and we discuss the recent
interview I conducted with Gurudatta Dattatreya.
Often outrageous, off topic, and out of control, this show
is an example of how humour and outrageousness may be used to
crack through the personas held by nondualists and by the
culture of nonduality itself. You'll either love or -- not love
-- this show.
Show #16 January 1, 2014 nonduality.net/1jan2014.mp3
talks about how she got into Yoga at the advice of her
neurologist when she was stricken with a case of multiple
sclerosis that left her paralyzed and nearly blind on the left
side of her body. Susan talks about the power of Yoga not only
for physical well being, but for psychological, mental, and
spiritual benefits. This conversation explores many layers of
Yoga and living and is indeed satsang itself. The Ashtanga
eight-fold path is discussed in some detail with the bridge
between Yoga and nonduality described. James Traverse
Show #15 December 25, 2013 nonduality.net/25december2013.mp3
What is nonduality? Recordings by Vicki Woodyard, William
Samuel, J. Krishnamurti. Various musical selections (no
Christmas music!), eating at the Carnegie Deli, David
Steindl-Rast, Jac O'Keefe, lucid dreaming discussed, Adyashanti,
Russel Brand, Byron Katie.
Show #14 December 18, 2013 nonduality.net/18december2013.mp3.
Scott and Kim MacInnis were guests. James Traverse
dropped in later on to facilitate the interview.
This is the accidental self-inquiry and awakening story of Scott
and the sharp turn onto a more intentional spiritual path. The
role of Scott's wife Kim, who was on her own path at the same
time, is revealed, and the nature of their interaction and
relationship. Scott and Kim are in their early thirties and have
two young sons.
Show #13 December 11, 2013 nonduality.net/11december2013.mp3
James Traverse is the guest. We talk about his
encounters with Dr.
Jean Klein and the associated teachings. A poem by James
Wright is read. A couple of audio clips by Vicki Woodyard are played
but due to technical issues they will have to be re-played in a
Show #12 December 4, 2013 nonduality.net/4december2013.mp3
Lynn Fraser was my guest. We talked about her
earliest experiences of non-separation in nature, which
stimulated an interest in spirituality. Lynn offered a great
definition of nonduality. Then we covered a few other milestones
in her life. Study within the Himalayan Tradition, a physical
attack upon her which forced her to address PTSD. Her life has a
meditation and Yoga teacher. Lynn’s encounter with Scott
Kiloby and becoming a facilitator of Scott’s inquiries.
During this conversation Lynn leads the listener in a couple of
exercises to illustrate her teachings, including Scott’s work.
The music of Calum Graham
is featured and we play a funny and powerful clip of Adyashanti
speaking to our addiction to thoughts. Lynn’s website is nondualinquiry.com
Show #11 November 27, 2013 nonduality.net/27november2013.mp3
James Traverse and Dustin LindenSmith are guests with
Jerry Katz. James Traverse describes the extraordinary spirit,
the people, and various sessions of the recent Shanti Fest in
Halifax, Nova Scotia. The opportunity for authentic experience.
Culmination in ecsatic dance described. "Extraordinary
manifestation of peace." Audio clips of om chanting, a gong
bath, the music of Suryachandra. The meaning of Om. The gong
Dustin speaks about raising children as the most spiritual
practice there is. Stopping the fight against the way things
are. Connecting with the child "at an emotional level at the
moment based on what's happening at the time without trying to
do anything or change anything." Avoiding emotional difficulty
through eating. Value of living in the world rather than
becoming a "monk" or prior to spiritual involvement. Life as the
greatest teacher. Quote from Tolle: As Eckhart Tolle says in A
New Earth, “while the child is having a painbody attack, there
isn’t much you can do except to stay present so that you are not
drawn into an emotional reaction. The child’s painbody would
only feed on it. Painbodies can be extremely dramatic. Don’t buy
into the drama. Don’t take it too seriously. If the painbody was
triggered by thwarted wanting, don’t give in now to its demands.
Otherwise, the child will learn: ‘The more unhappy I become, the
more likely I am to get what I want’” (page 106).
Dustin talks about his tenor sax playing.
Show #10 November 20, 2013 nonduality.net/20november2013.mp3
Dustin LindenSmith and Jerry Katz dialogue on many
aspects of nondual consciousness, while conducting a fundraiser
for CKDU 88.1 FM in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Enjoy the fun, the
edge, the humor, the nonduality. Also we say farewell to co-host
Mandee Labelle who created and inspired this show. Mandee
will return as an occasional co-host. Jerry is now the main host
and plans to include new and frequent co-hosts, telephone
interviews, interesting audio clips, and to generally create an
atmosphere that welcomes everything life offers.
Show #9 November 13, 2013 nonduality.net/13november2013.mp3
A recording of Chloe Goodchild chanting is
followed by a conversation on mantras and chants. Understanding
nonduality via duality. A beautiful confession from Gangaji.
Then conversation on desire and longing, and prayer. Enthusiasm
is the next topic. A clip from Swami Beyondananda. Also
an audio of Coleman Barks reading Rumi. In between it
all, other topics, considerations and humor.
Show #8 November 6, 2013 nonduality.net/6nov2013.mp3
A clip from a talk by Adyashanti: "We are in our essence
unborn." Meditation as a death, and opening the eyes
to experience as "a display of the unseen." Realizing our
purpose. An interview with Adyashakti (Mark Canter),
author of Awakening
to the Obvious. "In short, nothing about me as a
personality could be called extraordinary. Yet this does not
detract from the matter at hand: I do understand my original
nature, as described in Buddhist and other mystical teachings of
the past twenty-five centuries. I have seen beyond the limits of
conventional identity, into the open nature (free capacity) of
consciousness itself. This book offers no special doctrine the
reader can adhere to. 'The Great Way has no back,' said the
Chinese sage Lao Tzu. 'Thus, it cannot be followed.' However,
the essays herein may help you to reconcile with the inherent
mystery of life as it is, and thus be one with (no longer at
odds with) the Great Way.
Show #7 October 30, 2013 nonduality.net/30october2013.mp3
Our most recent show featured the delightful and wise Mi'qmaq
elder Billy Lewis as our in-studio guest. Robin Arthur and Terry
Choyce were our on-phone guests. ... Diversity and unity. ...
Recent oneness conferences in Nova Scotia. ... Bringing everyone
together to protect the earth and to protect ourselves: that's
what all this oneness movement is about. ... Unity as acceptance
of differences. ... Distortion of indigenous teachings. ... The
Red Renaissance. ... Robin Arthur on the phone, organizer of the
Spiritual Diversity Conference held in Halifax recently. Details
about the conference and its implications, as well as Robin's
work in general. ... Value of individual spiritual practices and
living spiritual diversity. ... Terry Choyce on the phone
talking about all the oneness activities in October in Nova
Scotia. ... The organization around an idea being confused with
an idea. ... Mandee's birthday. ... The quantum way of seeing.
... Billy's early life and spiritual breakthroughs. ... Knowings
beyond the mind. ... The law of certitude. ... Defending
separation of church and state. Working with Madalyn Murray
O'Hare. ... Movement from the heart vs movement from fear. ...
Random chat about Rumi and local events
Show #6 October 23, 2013 nonduality.net/23october2013.mp3
Seventy-eight year old Mi'qmaq elder Billy Lewis, a local and
national activist for Mother Earth and native causes since 1969,
was our in-studio guest. Jerry, Mandee, and Billy discuss the
recent Solidarity events aimed at raising awareness and bringing
attention to proposed hydraulic fracturing in New Brunswick,
Canada. ... The Mi'kmaq nation and other indigenous nations in
Canada and South America. ... "The best learning takes place in
the middle of struggle for justice." Taking a stand forces an
issue to become clear. ... The meaning of real consultation in
terms of self-determination. Ecuador giving rights to Mother
Earth. ... The struggle for freedom is an ongoing process. ...
and many more topics.
Show #5 October 16, 2013 nonduality.net/16october2013.mp3
Thanksgiving, Autumn, everything knowing That, friendship,
Science and Nonduality Conference, Breema, Andre Krylov: Simple
Truth in Tranquility of Peaceful, call from David in Cambridge,
Massachusetts, discussing his open awareness meditation meetup
group. David reads his poem inspired by friendship.
Show #4 October 9, 2013 nonduality.net/9october2013.mp3
Description of nondual understanding from the
indigenous-inspired writings of Joanne Light. We play Indian
Love Chant, by Douglas Spotted Eagle. Power of vision quest,
dances, drumming, rituals. Song: Land of Promise. Audio clip of
Robert Adams speaking about his meeting with Ramana Maharshi and
how RM was "a natural man."
Show #3 October 2, 2013 nonduality.net/2october2013.mp3
Mealer was a delightful call-in guest. So was Pete Sierra in an
excerpt from an interview with
him. Amar Chebib,
director of the documentary WAJD: Music, Politics & Ecstasy,
also called. Mandee and I welcomed silence as yet another guest.
Show #2 September 25, 2013 http://nonduality.net/25september2013.mp3
Following some chat, we field a phone call from poet/artist with
a nondual flare, Joanne Light, who tells about her work called
"Dissolving Duality." We extract some definitions of nonduality
from the little known works of Greg Goode and Nirmala. Then we
take a call from Greg Allen Morgoglione and Alice the Canine
Messiah. Greg talks about some magic he's working in the music
industry that any singer slash songwriter can hook up with and
make money. Greg talked about his book which is available here.
We played a song by Greg called Breakfast with You. Then you'll
hear a nondual clip from comedian Louis C.K. and some discussion
around it. Finally we play a clip from Thich Nhat Hahn.
Show # 1 September 18, 2013 http://nonduality.net/18september2013.mp3
Gratitude, Yoga class, nature of spiritual experiences. "Keeping
your moments with God secret." Having conversations about
conversations. Paying attention to attention. Silence: having no
need to fill space with words. Taking walks in nature, silently.
Buddhist story about silence. What is nonduality? "You have to
come by this understanding by your own experience." Can't define
nonduality with the mind and we try to use the mind to grock
nonduality. Audio clip of Laura Lucille leading a meditation
that allows us to experience nonduality. Nonduality meetups
groups discussed. Stumbling upon nonduality. Having
extraordinary experiences vs living the ordinary. Sadness
discussed as an element of nature rather than as a personal
hurt. A spontaneous drive to Labrador and a contemplation on
sadness. A song about love is played. UFO and nonduality
disclosure discussed. Resorting to your own authority, as
radical. Nonduality can't be lost. Many people are thanked.
~ ~ ~
The countdown to our grand opening projected for September 18,
Show # minus 5 http://nonduality.net/24july2013.mp3
Caller: Isabel from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Show # minus 4 http://nonduality.net/31july2013.mp3
Callers: Tom from Temecula, California. Anamika from Auroville,
Show # minus 3 http://nonduality.net/7august2013.mp3
Callers: Roger from Panama, Matt Beal from Cole Harbour, Nova
Music by Bhagavan Das. Clip of Adyashanti
Show # minus 2 http://nonduality.net/14august2013.mp3
Callers: Phil from Croatia, Fred Davis from South Carolina, and
Pete Sierra from San Diego.
Show # minus 1 http://nonduality.net/21august2013.mp3
Callers: Dhanya from Maui, Don from New York City. Music by Deva
Premal. Audio clip of Paul Hedderman speaking.
Show # minus 1/2 http://nonduality.net/28august2013.mp3
Interview with in-studio guest Jeff
Warren, with Mandee on the phone from California.
Show # minus 1/4 http://nonduality.net/4september2013.mp3
Interviews with in-studio guests Dustin LindenSmith and James
Traverse with stories on parenting and family. Mandee on
the phone from California.
Show # zero September 11 http://nonduality.net/11september2013.mp3
Francis Lucille retreat. Pacific Ocean beaches vs Atlantic
Ocean beaches. Air travel and airports. Dustin LindenSmith.
James Traverse. Nonduality Satsang meetup in Nova Scotia. Audio
clip of Francis Lucille speaking. Nonsanto Corporation.
Nutrition and diet. And other things.